tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post2756316816785672943..comments2023-08-10T02:07:41.140-06:00Comments on Losing My Religion: Christianeze - Translator Please...SocietyVshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10892870801259282254noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-28730993648629915002007-10-18T04:21:00.000-06:002007-10-18T04:21:00.000-06:00'just as we are'(comment was, 'not sure if it's in...'just as we are'<BR/>(comment was, 'not sure if it's in the gospels or letters').<BR/><BR/>'Accept one another as Christ has accepted you.'<BR/><BR/>how did He accept us.<BR/>As we were, in sin, imperfect.<BR/>Does that mean He doesn't desire for us to change and grow?<BR/>No,<BR/>Because He loves us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-38886517709539807822007-10-11T21:16:00.000-06:002007-10-11T21:16:00.000-06:00Ahh... feel the love :-)Ahh... feel the love :-)BrotherKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357712779192989944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-44034239459669184542007-10-11T15:15:00.000-06:002007-10-11T15:15:00.000-06:00Oh by the way BB... I thought you were leaving...O...Oh by the way BB... I thought you were leaving...<BR/><BR/>Or as you said in the previous post to SocietyVS, <I>"I take leave of you".</I><BR/><BR/>Who the hell talks like that anymore?? <BR/><BR/>So pretentious... and that says so much.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03234518773785368721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-54437409475216213642007-10-11T13:35:00.000-06:002007-10-11T13:35:00.000-06:00BB - You can't explain "love" in 100 words or less...BB - You can't explain "love" in 100 words or less?? I just looked it up in my dictionary and found several definitions. For example:<BR/><BR/>1) an intense feeling of deep affection<BR/><BR/>2) a deep romantic or sexual attachment to someone<BR/><BR/>Now if you are asking me to explain why I love Person A for example... I certainly could (and should) give you logical and rational reasons to explain my intense feelings of affection and/or my deep romantic or sexual attachment to them. To not base our love for someone on logic or to not have it validated is immature and somewhat delusional in my opinion.<BR/><BR/>Your sentence, <I>"You'll never understand love until you're ready to understand it."</I> is doublespeak. It's useless. It's untrue. We know love from a young age (if we grew up in such an environment) and along the way we learn how to decipher those that truly love and care for us from those that don't... and we do so based on understanding of people and getting to know them. It's not arbitrary or pulled from thin air or grounded in feelings alone.... or at least it shouldn't be.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03234518773785368721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-50014934954467823392007-10-11T12:29:00.000-06:002007-10-11T12:29:00.000-06:00Hey Steve,Suppose someone took a history test and ...Hey Steve,<BR/><BR/>Suppose someone took a history test and was asked to explain the Norman invasion of England and they said, "The Norman invasion is not easy to explain or understand. If you were ready to understand it, even the poorest description would be enough ..." That account would be suspicious, and truly deserving of a grade that reflects a cop-out.<BR/><BR/>But suppose someone was given a test and asked to explain love in 100 words or less. Wouldn't you agree that in some ways it would be easier to be that princess who was required to turn ordinary thread into gold? If they were to be truthful, they would have to answer indirectly, or ironically. The only direct answer would be to decline an answer or to say something like, "You'll never understand love until you're ready to understand it." Which, from an academically objective point of view is a cop-out, as you say. Spiritually speaking, it is more true and real than anything an objective-minded teacher would ever communicate.Micah Hooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02837253214315478347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-9987333937189629052007-10-11T10:01:00.000-06:002007-10-11T10:01:00.000-06:00Steve, the reason why you make a great blogger is ...Steve, the reason why you make a great blogger is 2 fold: (a) great perspective and vision; and (2) you 'cut to the chase'. I liked it man!SocietyVshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10892870801259282254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-69384917702124348692007-10-11T07:22:00.000-06:002007-10-11T07:22:00.000-06:00Wow... so many words...I love that a post on "Chri...Wow... so many words...<BR/><BR/>I love that a post on "Christianeze" is then followed by a plethora of Christian subculture talking points... almost completely unbearable to read or understand.<BR/><BR/>The biggest issue here, is that when someone doesn't understand our "Christianeze" we hide behind something like this:<BR/><BR/><I>It is not an easy thing to explain or understand. And if a person were not spiritually open to hearing these words it would not matter how well it were explained, the spiritual conversion would not occur. Yet if one is ready to accept the truth, they would be converted by even the worst explanation and example of the truth.</I> - Ken (now this isn't to pick on Ken, b/c I believe his mindset is shared by most church people.<BR/><BR/>So it's not us... it's them. If they don't understand us, it's because THEY aren't open to it. Therefore, we have no reason to change our language, rationally explain what we mean or logically make sense of the message we are preaching. If people don't "get it", we are off the hook because their hearts are not open spiritually.<BR/><BR/>And from my viewpoint... that's BS and a cop-out.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03234518773785368721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-63169513923755675932007-10-10T23:35:00.000-06:002007-10-10T23:35:00.000-06:00P.S. I just posted a more detailed explanation of ...P.S. I just posted a more detailed explanation of forgiveness vs trust on my blog (the "CCR" link here).BrotherKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357712779192989944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-10962052033770786482007-10-10T22:15:00.000-06:002007-10-10T22:15:00.000-06:00BB, I posted the last one before reading further u...BB, I posted the last one before reading further up. You really are searching for a way to forgive this sex offender and allow him to be a part of leadership in a church aren't you? This doesn't surprise me as most really do not understand what I said in my last post about forgiveness. Please read what I said and see if it does not line up with scripture *and* the ministry of Christ.<BR/><BR/>I apologize for my strongly worded response, especially since you were so considerate in yours. This is just something that has been on my heart for a long time.BrotherKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357712779192989944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-47673868813936532892007-10-10T21:41:00.000-06:002007-10-10T21:41:00.000-06:00"The primary concern of the church should be forgi..."The primary concern of the church should be forgiving him." (BB)<BR/><BR/>I know we pray "forgive us, as we forgive others that transgress against us", but can a person be forgiven and yet removed from positions of responsibility? I have seen this work well in a church. A married man was having an affair with another man's wife. The two were forgiven by the church but not allowed to continue in leadership roles.<BR/><BR/>What I see going on in most churches is a high degree of focus on forgiveness (to the point of absurdity as in the example above) and hardly a mention of proper conduct and responsibility. Does there not need to be some balance? Maybe this does not reflect the degree of forgiveness we have in Christ, but then we are only human and we do not have the ability to see what is in the heart of another.<BR/><BR/>After all, is not God the only one that can give the forgiveness that is needed?BrotherKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357712779192989944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-75699920453115767622007-10-10T18:57:00.000-06:002007-10-10T18:57:00.000-06:00I think that in all walks of life we use language ...I think that in all walks of life we use language or interpretations that make things relatable to others. It is part of translation and language, and the barriers that come along with it. If you spend time in another culture it is the same, there is an element of making things relatable or easy to understand, or down to earth.<BR/><BR/>Yes, it probably doesn't come across the same to all, but at best in most cases it is a good effort that is being made...I think at the end of the day that is the intent of using these phrases. <BR/><BR/>As a facilitator or a presenter I do it all of the time, especially when I know that the audience may not know English as their first language...<BR/>But that is just be keeping it simpleMy Gardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12609235328616808213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-58216715051395785142007-10-10T15:13:00.000-06:002007-10-10T15:13:00.000-06:00Ken,**Obedience may not even be the right word her...Ken,<BR/><BR/>**Obedience may not even be the right word here as is has negative connotations for many in our human experiences.**<BR/><BR/>I do think another word is required, at least in my mind. Obedience is too closely tied to "only following orders." If people blindly follow ... well, we've seen the damage that can do throughout history. So I tend not to like the word "obedience," because of what I associate with it. <BR/><BR/>**There is only one thing an athiest may do that is pleasing to God: repent of his athiesm and have faith in God.**<BR/><BR/>Doesn't this seem more along the lines of human behavior, though? I mean, we have this infinite, all-powerful, all-knowing God who created the entire vast universe caring whether a small portion of said universe believes in Him. <BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it make more sense for the Creator to care how things function, or how closely things behave to the original design? Otherwise, we're left with someone who may not believe that the Christian God exists, and yet earnestly tries to do good with no thought of his/herself -- in fact, mirroring Christ in a lot of actions, and behaving as God designed people to behave ... cast aside simply because of a lack of belief. Isn't that essentially saying that it doesn't matter what you do, or who you are -- it just matters what you believe? I mean, take the Samartain. He had all the wrong beliefs according to that culture, and yet he was seen as the example to follow. (No, I am not saying that someone can earn their way to heaven).OneSmallStephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08189124855157679020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-13979730284404166522007-10-10T14:26:00.000-06:002007-10-10T14:26:00.000-06:00Chruch discipline in accord with the NT would dema...Chruch discipline in accord with the NT would demand that he be put out of the church until he repents. I think a major part of repentance is accepting the just consequences of our actions. If he is truly repentant, then he will turn himself in and suffer those consequenses.<BR/><BR/>There is a big difference between forgiveness and the cover up of wrong doing. I've seen the cover up occur many times but church discipline...well, never.<BR/><BR/>PamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-11779964055744124952007-10-10T11:41:00.000-06:002007-10-10T11:41:00.000-06:00I agree he should face the law of the land, but th...I agree he should face the law of the land, but this is not the responsibility of the church except perhaps as witnesses in court. The primary concern of the church should be forgiving him.Micah Hooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02837253214315478347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-22095440419996577072007-10-10T10:25:00.000-06:002007-10-10T10:25:00.000-06:00If we want to be true to the gospels - that youth ...If we want to be true to the gospels - that youth leader that did those things needs to face the law for the things he did (since he did what was not allowed by it - and he owes to it). We can forgive the person - but that doesn't mean said youth pastor gets a free ticket from 'repentance' or 'responsibility'.SocietyVshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10892870801259282254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-67104440975828595802007-10-10T02:12:00.000-06:002007-10-10T02:12:00.000-06:00Brother Ken,I was seriously taken back by your que...Brother Ken,<BR/><BR/>I was seriously taken back by your question ... you know when someone observes something in seriousness, it can be like looking with a new pair of eyes? I read everything but this part spoke to me:<BR/><BR/>"How far are you willing to take this BB?" Brother Ken<BR/><BR/>It was like a Munch portrait where all the details of the discussion went spiraling into the background and I was left with a single peeking-hole to eternity. You know what I mean?<BR/><BR/>It's like Jesus is standing there and he doesn't want to start arguing about what's heresy and what's orthodoxy. He sees your understanding of the Bible (however meager it may be) and he says, "How far are you willing to take this?" Maybe it was just the way you said my name at the end ... but somehow I was strangely singled out. It was just like something Jesus would say.<BR/><BR/>The scenario you mentioned was excellent, like a true test of one's resolve. On the one hand is Christ's command and on the other a path that is totally unacceptable to society.<BR/><BR/>Would forgivenness involve reinstating the criminal back into ministry? I certainly believe so, although perhaps not in the same venue. As believers we have a right to serve our Lord, and ethical distinctions among each other mean do nothing to impose on this right. This distinction is equally irrelevant in cases of leadership wronged by a congregation or a congregation wronged by its leadership.<BR/><BR/>Should people expect responsibility from their church leadership? I agree, they should! But the way they accept it is of decisive importance.<BR/><BR/>There is worldly expectation, which is nothing more than taking things for granted, systematically ... and then there is expectation as if of the absurd, just as Abraham expected God to raise Isaac from the dead.<BR/><BR/>If people can say, "I don't understand it, but our leaders are responsible!" Not snidely, but in true earnestness, then so much the better for them. They have found the only true form of thankfulness under heaven.<BR/><BR/>If people say, "What's best for this group and society?" And, "What will the newspapers say?" And, "What's best for our image?" Then they will only find anxiety, double-mindedness, and distance from the One who worries not about the opinion of the many.<BR/><BR/>If the newspapers rant and rave against the absurdity of forgivenness, then what is that? Didn't the so-called public rant and rave against Christ? Is it surprising that those who reject Christ also reject the obedience of His bride? I don't think it is.<BR/><BR/>Again, thank you for your response, Brother Ken. It was worded so well, and it demanded answers -just as heaven will demand answers from us on that Day. I intend to carefully and thoroughly consider you question, as I hope every disciple of Christ continues to examine it.Micah Hooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02837253214315478347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-36927318139908173872007-10-09T21:23:00.000-06:002007-10-09T21:23:00.000-06:00"As long as those who have the option of forgiving..."As long as those who have the option of forgiving wish to be forgiven, they must forgive or they will not be forgiven."<BR/><BR/>How far are you willing to take this BB? I know the focus here is on the church forgiving a member but there are times when a member struggles with having to forgive the church.<BR/><BR/>There is a story in today's local paper of a youth minister that has 14 charges of sexual molestation against three teenage girls. The incidents allegedly occurred at a church he previously attended, he changed churches and the new church, knowing of the allegations, allowed him to serve in youth ministry for another two or three years. Now that he has been formally charged, he has been removed from his position.<BR/><BR/>Now, I may not have all the details correct (and I don't believe all I read in the papers) but you get my drift. Should the people expect responsible church leadership or does forgiveness trump even that?<BR/><BR/>I could also turn this around to be more in line of Jasons' focus. How long do we support a church that is does very little in the way of serving the needs of the community?BrotherKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357712779192989944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-9859095891659583242007-10-09T20:31:00.000-06:002007-10-09T20:31:00.000-06:00"How many times can a fellow believer fail and we ..."How many times can a fellow believer fail and we still take them back?" SocietyVS<BR/><BR/>As long as those who have the option of forgiving wish to be forgiven, they must forgive or they will not be forgiven.<BR/><BR/>"Both a person calling themselves a Christian and an atheist have the same abilties in that regard." SocietyVS<BR/><BR/>There is only one thing an athiest may do that is pleasing to God: repent of his athiesm and have faith in God. The Scriptures are clear that without faith it is impossible to please God because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He is and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.Micah Hooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02837253214315478347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-38446995950268964902007-10-09T14:08:00.000-06:002007-10-09T14:08:00.000-06:00"Are you suggesting they appeared to do something ..."Are you suggesting they appeared to do something good to everyone else ... or that they had truly good intentions? Remember Christ's words, my friend, that only God is good" (BB)<BR/><BR/>I think I am referring to how we equate the idea of doing good - that both a person calling themselves a Christian and an atheist have the same abilties in that regard. I see you added on the phrase 'only God is good' - I think Jesus might be pointing to idea God created us and the laws that person was following - in that sense - it is our core being to do 'good' (cause our Creator is) - and when we don't - that's troubling in some sense. <BR/><BR/>"Do you suppose the father had to accept his prodigal son when he returned before he laid out conditions for how he would change? If so, why?" (BB)<BR/><BR/>Good re-ittiration of my question. What I am getting at is 'come as you are' truly accepted as what it means in Christian circles? I have no problem accepting people as they 'are' - since I am well aware in order for them to recieve hope - they also need to see it happening (or as some call it 'modeled'). But I am not sure how 'matter of fact' this is accepted in actual Christian circles...how many times can a fellow believer fail and we still take them back? What's the limit or is there one?SocietyVshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10892870801259282254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-64672368385335732412007-10-09T14:03:00.000-06:002007-10-09T14:03:00.000-06:00Hi BB,Your reference to the word 'baptize' made me...Hi BB,<BR/><BR/>Your reference to the word 'baptize' made me remember a funny incident. When my kids were little, my sister and I took our kids to swimming lessons together. My neice loved to be dunked and when her instructor did so one morning, she started giggling and saying, "Baptize me! Baptize me again!" <BR/><BR/>PamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-2574612141631314112007-10-09T12:31:00.000-06:002007-10-09T12:31:00.000-06:00Hi SocietyVS,Church language seems to dress up sim...Hi SocietyVS,<BR/><BR/>Church language seems to dress up simple things in such garish, ceremonial garb. I don't know why we use 'baptize' when we could use 'immerse' or 'pray' instead of 'ask'.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, that doesn't seem to be what you are examining here ... One would do well to remember that Christ often took normal words and made them to mean something different. When people asked for a definition (such as 'who is my neighbor?' or 'what do you mean by being born again?'), he either asked the question back to them by means of a parable or he rebuked them for their lack of understanding.<BR/><BR/>"What if a non-believer does 'good' and it lines up or is better than the very works we see in our faith community? This adds a grey area to doing good." SocietyVS<BR/><BR/>Of interest to me is the apostrophes you put around good. Are you suggesting they appeared to do something good to everyone else ... or that they had truly good intentions? Remember Christ's words, my friend, that only God is good.<BR/><BR/>"Do you think God has to accept us as ‘we are’? If so, why?" SocietyVS<BR/><BR/>Do you suppose the father had to accept his prodigal son when he returned before he laid out conditions for how he would change? If so, why?<BR/><BR/>I also detest Christianese, but to me it's more like when people pray these mantras like, "keep us from being blinded, and beguiled, and deceived" (and they say this very, very fast in every prayer) and they start invoking language that they never use when talking to other people like "undergird". Jesus says to not pray in vain repititions like the pagans do because they think they will be heard because of their many words.<BR/><BR/>Maybe your chief concern isn't people using phrases like "image of Christ" so much as the casual, routine-like way it gets tossed around. In which case, I am with you completely.<BR/><BR/>In Burning Sincerity,<BR/>The BushMicah Hooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02837253214315478347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-9330636769178760732007-10-08T22:56:00.000-06:002007-10-08T22:56:00.000-06:00Heather, I didn't mean to say that obedience was t...Heather, I didn't mean to say that obedience was the primary reason for any relationship. However, I do believe that our obedience to God will always be required, and we will grow into wanting to be obedient in response to His love and care for us. Obedience may not even be the right word here as is has negative connotations for many in our human experiences.BrotherKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357712779192989944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-31365563626622570792007-10-08T15:33:00.000-06:002007-10-08T15:33:00.000-06:00Ken,**Heather, you got me thinking here too :0**I ...Ken,<BR/><BR/>**Heather, you got me thinking here too :0**<BR/><BR/>I think we can credit Society for this one, as he asked us to define our terms. :) <BR/><BR/>**If we were not able to be disobedient would obedience mean anything?**<BR/><BR/>But is obedience the prime reason behind a relationship? Do we have relationships with friends because of obedience? Or spouses? Or even children? There are certain rules that must be followed for any relationship to be sustained (such as with a spouse, the whole not cheating is a big one. Then again, if a spouse cheats, can we say that there was a relationship?) The way I see it, people tend to want obedient children as a means of protecting the child, because the child is naive. As the child grows older, and becomes less naive, the obedience is no longer necessary (if it worked right), because the child can make his/her own decisions. The child is his/her own person. The child also still has a relationship with the parent, but possibly even a much stronger one. <BR/><BR/>So why is obedience one of the foremost requirements? <BR/><BR/>We may also be looking at obedience differently here. Part of what has been presented to me in the past by others is that God wanted blind, perfect, unquestioning obedience -- but is that any better than simply wanting a robot? <BR/><BR/>The other thing is, "relationship" might not be the best word here. RElationships are all about give-and-take, and sacrifice, and change. Now, Jesus was sacrificed, yes. But if you enter a relationship with another person, isn't a part of you changed? Isn't that change a necessary element in a relationship? Yet God cannot change. You either choose to 100% follow His will, or there's no relationship. But if that is the case, is it actually a relationship? You wouldn't ever get a "say" in where the relationship with God goes, like you would with a spouse/friend/child. <BR/><BR/>**So if we focus on the relationship, can we see the ability to make the wrong choice as perfection?** <BR/><BR/>I'm not sure, because -- okay, let's say you really love your wife. If you have the choice between being married to her, or cheating on her for a million dollars, is each choice equal? Or is the latter option not even in the running, because it doesn't even tempt you? I guess the question here is how closely connected are choice and temptation. <BR/><BR/>**Are we not still created with the ability to have a perfect relationship? Are we not still perfect children of God?**<BR/><BR/>I still think there's two different ideas going on here, one with the perfect relationship, and one as a perfect child of God. I'm not sure the answer to the first question is "yes," because of the atonement. My understanding is that we don't have the ability on our own, which is why Jesus came. So isn't the answer to that "no?" <BR/><BR/>Society,<BR/><BR/>**As a pre-requisite of perfection is it neccesary everything you make has to be 'perfect'?**<BR/><BR/>It might depend on one's perspective of perfection. If we say that someone is perfect, we tend to mean that the person can do no wrong. Part of that "do no wrong" would carry over into anything the person creates. If the person is perfect, then what the person creates must be perfect, as well. I guess it comes down to if we say that the person does this thing imperfectly, can the person still be called perfect? <BR/><BR/>**even if the Creator has given them choice we cannot very well assume He created us flawed - the flaw is not the creating part - but our choosing part (right where the responsibility needs to be)**<BR/><BR/>Please note that in my response, I'm not trying to say that it's all God's fault and so forth. I know I said this earlier, but this is a tricky area, so it bears repeating. :) <BR/><BR/>I guess I still come back to the fact that we have no hand in our creation. God completely created us. So to say that the flaw is in our choosing aspect is like giving us the power over that "flaw." But we didn't put the flaw within ourselves. We were created with that choice -- and in order to be a choice, don't both sides need to hold some sort of appeal? If we weren't attracted by evil at all, would we really be choosing to not follow it? <BR/><BR/>AGain, I ask these questions sincerely, and not in the "Look, look, it's God's fault!"<BR/><BR/>Heather (I've changed my profile name)OneSmallStephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08189124855157679020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-30693507849755487652007-10-08T13:48:00.000-06:002007-10-08T13:48:00.000-06:00"Whoa...Ken - these 2 sentences were both written ..."Whoa...Ken - these 2 sentences were both written by you about the topic we are discussing here - about the fluidity of the gospel message. I notice in inherent contradiction"<BR/><BR/>Jason, If you will note, I was talking about two different things. Some things in the scriptures are spelled out very clearly, and other are not. The requirements to become a child of God through the sacrifice of Christ are not argued by many. Actually, I do differ from many in that I do not limit God to having to accept or reject people on those requirements though. I believe there will be some who will be saved despite what most think and vice-versa. For example, I believe it was Abraham who's godliness was "counted to him as righteousness". I so see the simple (yet tough) 1-2-3 plan touted be most as the way for most of us though.<BR/><BR/>All what we have been talking about here that is not so black & white is great discussion, but I don't claim to believe completely. Some things I will not know for sure until God reveals it to me, but to discuss it is important for me as it helps me to know Him and His will for me.BrotherKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357712779192989944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19670264.post-18794221458580567972007-10-08T05:25:00.000-06:002007-10-08T05:25:00.000-06:00Society,It won't be impossible when His process in...Society,<BR/><BR/>It won't be impossible when His process in us is complete. We can also use the power of choice that He has given us to choose always in His favor. If we can't love we can choose to love others with His love that lives in us.<BR/><BR/>What I mean by allowing evil is that He does not simply eradicate it. It doesn't come from Him but He is still Sovereign over it as He is over our choices but does not choose for us. He is working it all together for the good as He is working to make us like His Son, Jesus so that we will become persons who love Him with all of our heart, mind, and soul and love others as ourself thereby, fulfilling His Law.<BR/><BR/>PamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com